The overrated filmmaker James Gunn was
interviewed by Rolling Stone (via
Variety), and he claimed to know what went wrong with Marvel's output. First though, they allude to a certain scandal he had several years back:
After you temporarily got fired from Marvel for some old tweets, you’ve said a ton of friends reached out to you — and that for the first time in your life, you had a transformative experience of feeling truly loved.
There’s no doubt that without that experience, I don’t think that I would’ve written the Superman that I wrote. I definitely wouldn’t be doing this job if I didn’t get fired, but I don’t know if I’d be doing this job even if it wasn’t for that. I just don’t think that a character that pure would’ve quite appealed to me.
How did that open the door?
I don’t think that opened the door to me writing the pure Superman. That opened the door for me to stop creating so that people would like me. That’s downplaying it — so people would love me. I think on some level, everything I had done came from a pleasing place.
They must really consider a movie such a big deal, they refuse to acknowledge what Gunn was fired from Marvel for was because
it was discovered he'd written tweets with jokes about sexual assault. And yet, despite that, other filmmakers forgave him. Even if Gunn has no criminal record in real life, how can we like or love him if that's what he thought was funny? That's even worse than shoehorning
a scene into the Superman screenplay to serve as a subtle swipe at fandom. On which note:
One of your big innovations here is the sci-fi Silver Age Superman stuff — robots, etc. — that has never been in a live-action film.
Yeah, I think that’s the biggest tonally novel thing about this film. And it really is based on the tone of [2000s comic book series] All-Star Superman in a lot of ways. And taking that tone into a cinematic realm is not the usual thing for a superhero movie, or for any movie. So I really was thinking a lot when making the film about graphic novels more than movies.
Oh, is that the Grant Morrison-penned alternate-universe tale? One must wonder what makes Morrison's tales so special, but not those of Siegel/Shuster, Edmond Hamilton, Otto Binder, Cary Bates, Elliot Maggin, Marv Wolfman, Dan Jurgens and Louise Simonson? If all a Hollywood scribe cares about is drawing from the most recent - and doubtless the most select - they're not accomplishing much of anything. Even the Bronze Age DCU had plenty of imagination and stories worth drawing ideas from, yet all Gunn cares about is Morrison's writings, and even
Tom King's? Sorry, but that's much too easy. And why does it sound like Gunn took up the project for Superman because of his previous dismissal based on the aforementioned scandal?
Fantastic Four is coming around the same time as Superman and seems to share that Silver Age, optimistic feel. It’s interesting given weird times in the world right now that seems to be the right vibe.
Maybe. But do you really think they’re alike? I’m really embracing the Silver Age of it all, but I don’t think that it’s as stylized, or at least not stylized in the same way. And it’s not as retro. There are retro-futuristic aspects, because we’ve got Daily Planet with a big fucking [globe]. And the robots, the machinery. So I can see where there’s certain similarities.
Hey look, it's fine if you want to try out anthropomorphic animals like Krypto as co-stars, among other such ideas from the Silver Age. But again, looking for opportunities to insult fandom, stealth or otherwise, is unacceptable. Based on this and any other negative buzz this new film may have received, that's why we certainly can't expect a modern classic, and it's not every modern film that can be considered on a par with Victor Fleming and Judy Garland's take on the Wizard of Oz. Now, here's where Gunn "opines" upon what went wrong with Marvel movies:
Eddie Murphy once told me that nearly every bad movie happens because of Hollywood’s habit of setting a production date before they have a finished screenplay.
Yeah, totally. Listen, you can do everything right and make a bad movie. I’m really compassionate towards people that put their all into a movie. I know some people that were my former workers at Marvel — people who made some of the worst movies. There were people that were lazy and didn’t put their time in. And then there were other directors that worked really hard and maybe didn’t have the best movie come out, but they did everything they could. But I do believe that the reason why the movie industry is dying is not because of people not wanting to see movies. It’s not because of home screens getting so good. The number-one reason is because people are making movies without a finished screenplay.
And that’s one of the biggest rules you’ve made for DC — that they have to have finished scripts.
Yeah. We just killed a project. Everybody wanted to make the movie. It was greenlit, ready to go. The screenplay wasn’t ready. And I couldn’t do a movie where the screenplay’s not good. And we’ve been really lucky so far, because Supergirl’s script was so fucking good off the bat. And then Lanterns came in, and the script was so fucking good. Clayface, same thing. So fucking good. So we have these scripts that we’ve been really lucky with or wise in our choices or whatever the combination is.
If the
screenplay for Supergirl's based on King's stories, no sale here, and the Maid of Might's been slighted again, much as she was when Alex and Ilya Salkind botched the 1984 film, and the TV show on CW from the past decade turned ultra-political from its 2nd season onwards. If there's no mention of the exact structure of the screenplay for Gunn's take on Supergirl any more than Superman, how can we be sure it'll be worth it? An "unfinished" screenplay sounds too easy, though I am aware there are screenplays that can get changed halfway through filming. Predictably, this ignores the issues with wokeism in Marvel's latest output, and if you can only keep clinging to cheap arguments like unfinished scripts, that won't get anywhere fast. And then, here's something really bizarre and unexpected for a modern Hollywooder:
What did you experience? What did you see?
I mean it’s really — it’s long, but my whole life is based on that fucking whatever that was. I have no clue how long it was. Maybe it was an hour, maybe it was seven hours. But, yeah, it was really just aligning a lot of the things I believed about myself, about finishing what you start, about it’s not my business whether people think of my shit — my business is doing what I do, and that’s it. It was my faith in God, which is a big part of who I am. And yet at the same time, I don’t think God really cares whether you believe in him or not. But I heard “Finish what you start.” That was like hearing the voice of God as if it was completely outside of me.
Wow, a guy
who's rather obviously a leftist actually believes in God? He actually follows monotheism? But, based on his questionable conduct over the years, that's why even this can be called into question as potential virtue-signaling.
There’s a controversial Seventies issue of the comic book where it shows that Superman basically uses super-hypnotism to change people’s perception of him in the glasses — it was an idea sent in by a fan that has been mostly ignored since.
Something like that! I only know it from [DC Comics writer] Tom King. The first time we met was at Peter [Safran’s] house. We had this sort of writers group come in. One of those people was Tom King, and he was the most helpful. I’m like, “I just don’t know how to fucking deal with the glasses thing, because it bothers the fuck out of me.” All that little stuff that people are like, “It’s a fantasy, just let it go.” I’m like, “No, I have to explain everything.” Everything for me has to come from a place where I believe it, as outlandish as it is. With Rocket, I could not just make it a talking raccoon. It had to have a real foundation for where he came from and how he came to be. And I needed to believe that.
Sounds like he's doing everything he can to make King look good, and maybe that's a form of virtue-signaling too. And what's this, he has problems with Clark Kent wearing glasses when not in blue costume? I'm not sure why somebody who made live action cartoons like the Scooby Doo adaptations has a problem with Superman's plainclothes glasses. Could it be Gunn's not so fond of surrealism, as his comment suggests?
What were some of the other things you felt you needed to explain to make this Superman work?
There are things that I know I don’t explain that I don’t even want to say out loud! But I wanted Superman to be vulnerable. I see the online things “Who would beat whom?” — Homelander or Superman or fucking whatever, Adam Warlock or Brightburn, and I’m like, “This is the fucking stupidest fucking conversation.” Like, so then whoever would win this fight means that they’re the best? Because I’ll just go out and write God Man, who can destroy you with a wink. And I win. I win all the fights forever. But I didn’t want a Superman who could punch planets. And also we’re creating a whole universe now, so what’s a girl with wings gonna do in the face of that? So he’s a little less powerful. [Green Lantern] Guy Gardner’s pretty fucking powerful. They’re all pretty powerful.
Honestly, in talking to people, a lot of people are like, “I like Batman better because he can actually be beat,” and I get that. So we have a Superman that can be beat.
Oh, please. Of course Superman has been written as vulnerable and possible to "beat", but plausibility in how it's all written up matters. I do think it's odd though, that somebody who alludes to Silver Age cartoonishness suddenly has an issue with the Man of Steel slamming planets around, or moving them, an idea that may have been tried in the Silver Age (and the first Christopher Reeve film came close with reversing the earth's rotation near the end to save Lois), but was eventually downplayed or moved away from. And you thought it was weird enough if Gunn takes issue with Clark Kent's spectacles.
Over at Marvel, they’ve been pretty open about the fact that they realized what’s gone wrong over the past few years. They put out too much stuff.
And [longtime Marvel executive producer] Louis [D’Esposito] said that privately to me. I don’t even know if it’s really their fault.
They were under a corporate mandate, yeah.
That wasn’t fair. It wasn’t right. And it killed them.
Watching that, especially after being involved, are there lessons to be taken on your end?
There’s no doubt. We have to treat every project as if we’re lucky. We don’t have the mandate to have a certain amount of movies and TV shows every year. So we’re going to put out everything that we think is of the highest quality. We’re obviously going to do some good things and some not-so-good things, but hopefully on average everything will be as high-quality as possible. Nothing goes before there’s a screenplay that I personally am happy with.
But if it's woke, that's hardly a sign of ensuring "quality". And did it occur to them that making the Marvel movies since 2019 woke could be a "corporate mandate"? That part's not explored here. And then, Gunn has something to say about the Man of Steel's most notable adversary:
What was your way into Lex Luthor?
I really understand Lex. I feel like I relate to Lex way more than I wish I did. But for me, Lex looks at Superman like artists look at AI. He is the world’s greatest man in so many ways. He’s done these unparalleled things. And then you got a guy who comes in who’s done nothing to deserve the ability to fly and to smash down buildings. And he’s also extraordinarily handsome, too. And all of a sudden that’s all the world is talking about. And that sort of obsession with being replaced, with being — with your gifts not being seen or passed over — I think is what drives Lex. I relate to everything he does. He’s just meaner than I am.
Whenever somebody says he "relates" to the crooks, I find that very sad and troubling today. And it brings the person's sincerity into question. To say a somebody "relates" to a villain, but not to a heroic figure, is cause for concern. And this is why I don't look forward to superhero movies anymore. There's just so many bewildering double-standards on the part of the filmmakers, it's become only so discouraging as it's divisive.
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